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Old 19-01-2018, 10:38 AM   #16
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I think the problem was two fold, firstly there is an inevitable trickle down of tech from high end cars down so many modern cars are now specced like 10-15 year old Mercs ! My dad has just bought a Kia Picanto and it is so heavily specced it puts my well specced R60 MINI Countryman JCW to shame - stuff like reversing camera with park assist and heated steering wheel in a cheap city car !!

Secondly rules on crash protection have forced cars to be bigger and beefier to comply - sit in a modern car and see how far physically you sit from the outside of the door skin and look how small in comparison boot apertures are to compensate for rear crash structures. I had an R55 MINI Clubman and a classic Clubby Estate, the boot aperture of the classic was actually larger than the MINI.

Both of which have added weight and means cars have wider tyres all of which blunts feel and handling. It also means more powerful engines are required to give the same performance.
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Old 19-01-2018, 10:55 AM   #17
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As modern cars go this is probably a good shout

https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/volksw...ease-date-2964
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Old 19-01-2018, 12:20 PM   #18
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^ that looks like a fun little car...

Two more from a similar vein - itís predecessor the lupo gti and also the abarth 500 although Iíve never driven the latter.
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Old 19-01-2018, 02:29 PM   #19
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That being said (and I know some will not believe this) but two cars I drove which felt better than a Mini were both small Daihatsus. The first was the Sirion (M100) - I only drove the 4wd versions, they are so neutral and chuckable. The other was the Charade (L250). This was amazing on its skinny 155 tyres it was totally 4 wheel driftable as it was so well balanced, I couldn't believe it. It also had a 1 litre 3 pot engine which sounded mental when revved.

Both these cars, like a Mini, are light whereas a lot of modern cars are so heavy and I think that will always affect the "feel" of the car which no amount of clever geometry will make up for.

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Oh boy, I've been flirting with a Charade GTti for almost a month now. It's the single one currently sold in Greece but everyone thinks it's stupid to get a 3rd car

Never driven one before, but I imagine they are great fun!
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Old 19-01-2018, 03:03 PM   #20
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Oh boy, I've been flirting with a Charade GTti for almost a month now. It's the single one currently sold in Greece but everyone thinks it's stupid to get a 3rd car

Never driven one before, but I imagine they are great fun!
TBH the G100 Charade (which is the GTti) has a reputation for snap oversteer but the engine is great. The later Daihatsus seem to be better for handling
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Old 19-01-2018, 04:29 PM   #21
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Really? Didn't came across this info but it might be because it's glory is long gone and no one care to provide such details on the internet..Plus, I was quite young when it was on it's prime and even then it was very rare over here..

Shame really, I'd love to own one even today!
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Old 19-01-2018, 09:27 PM   #22
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They are all mini copy's!! Just not as good in a simple/basic way,they didn't know how good it was , happy accident. It was a bit sketchy on 145,s but they soon got a grip on that, unsuspecting silly giant killer, if they could see them on 13s they would bash their heads on there coffin's don't you worried about that,
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Old 22-01-2018, 06:40 PM   #23
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some good replies here, the mini used to be an everyday normal car that people bought and used as a main car, the advantage being they were great to drive. Now they are too valuable etc to really be abused as an everyday hack as once they are nackered/rusted out they warrant restoration rather than just scrap it and buy another. so my question is asking is there anything out there that is modern-ish that is as fun to drive but also equally useable as an everyday hack then can be binned when it's knackered. I don't think there is, I don't believe any car manufacturer has made something in the last 15 odd years that is light, practical, cheap and awesome to drive. The problem being that even base models of small 'city' cars are huge heavy things filled with electric everything, massive seats etc etc and the handling is the same as everything else as they all share common suspension components (for cost) and have oversize wheels and tyres due to styling. This is not the manufacturers fault as they are simply building what the general public demands but I can't help feeling they are missing a trick.
I've often thought the original Ford Ka was a bit of a modern equivalent of a mini. It has no crumple zones, rusts faster than you can weld it, and actually goes pretty well. It's small, cheap to buy, cheap to fix, and comes with a range of underpowered engines. Power steering gives it a bit of a numb feel, but apart from that, it's kind of what you describe.
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Old 24-01-2018, 01:08 AM   #24
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rusting and unpowered engines, almost sounded like you were talking about the K11 Nissan micra....
i had a few micra's over the years, and i had a lot of fun with them, zip around town with them but had no power for the highways but was still fun, even with the 1 liter
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A mate of mine swears by his Lupo GTi as a Mini like car. I've not driven one by he says they are light and chuckable like a Mini
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Strangely enough Paul mentioned a ford ka ,
I found myself using a 1,3 ka, don't know if some are less cc, but weirdly enough it dose feel mini like,
Has any one fitted a ka engine yet?
Or maybe that's nothing to do with this thred
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My MG Metros drove just like a Mini.

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Strangely enough Paul mentioned a ford ka ,
I found myself using a 1,3 ka, don't know if some are less cc, but weirdly enough it dose feel mini like,
Has any one fitted a ka engine yet?
Or maybe that's nothing to do with this thred
From a mate who looked into fitting a Ka engine into a Mini, It's way too tall. Would need a huge bonnet bulge. It's not a high powered unit either and it's much easier to get the same if not more power from other makes that fit easier.
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Yes ,wouldn't dream of it,
But pound for pound it dose feel mini like,
I would feel happy driving it with a mini shell on top
But at the moment I get the kids from school waiting a balaclava lol
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Strangely enough Paul mentioned a ford ka ,
I found myself using a 1,3 ka, don't know if some are less cc, but weirdly enough it dose feel mini like
Glad you thought the same!

Controversial I know, but given a decade I reckon the Mk1 Ford Ka will get a bit of a cult following. Loads of them about, cheap, accessible, most people had one as a first car, bit different looking, fun to drive and easy to work on, with plenty of opportunity for engine swaps. Remind you of anything?
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