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Old 21-09-2018, 12:47 PM   #1
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Hi guys, been sifting through the search on B16 hydrualic clutch slave along with standard mini master and I think I will be there an age to find exactly what I need to know, as I have been building this car for a looooong time now I need to get things done sooner than later, if you know what I mean, what problems will I encounter and best remidies as I will be starting on that soon, cheers....
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Old 21-09-2018, 01:57 PM   #2
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Hi,

Not at that stage yet but from my research, if you use a mini master it does not work very well, heavy pedal and more of an on/off rahter than a nice feel. Most cost effective option is to make a spacer and use the honda master which are around £65 other option if to buy a AP racing 14mm master and mod the arm to suit. roughly £175 <http://www.apracing.com/car/cylinder/cp2623_1cd_iss16.pdf>

There are other more eloborate (expensive) options such as going for a hydraulic release bearing which are around £290, not sure what master you will have to use though. My friend has one of these in his 550bhp Evo and it works great.

https://h-tune.co.uk/clutch-masters-...onda-b-series/
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Old 21-09-2018, 02:06 PM   #3
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There are other more eloborate (expensive) options such as going for a hydraulic release bearing which are around £290, not sure what master you will have to use though. My friend has one of these in his 550bhp Evo and it works great.

https://h-tune.co.uk/clutch-masters-...onda-b-series/
I've just bought one of these for my build as I need the space in front of the box where the slave sits for my rad.

There is one build on here which one was used. IIRC he ended up using the standard Mini one with it. I'll have a look and try and post a link
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Old 21-09-2018, 02:10 PM   #4
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http://www.16vminiclub.com/showthread.php?t=37255

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Old 21-09-2018, 02:38 PM   #5
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Thanks guys, looks like I need some cash....lol
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Old 21-09-2018, 02:55 PM   #6
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Honda slave / Honda master / Mini pedal is still a bit on-off.
Watson's do a master cylinder kit, all ready to bolt straight in (think it's 5/8"), which is said to give the best pedal feel.
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Old 21-09-2018, 06:05 PM   #7
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is it not possable to just change the slave cylinder ? im running a mini servo and mini master was hoping to just change the slave to compansate
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Old 21-09-2018, 10:20 PM   #8
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I don't rate the mini clutch slave cylinder !! And Shure there's better out there, only good thing I can say is that it was easy to change on a mini before verto type, just as well for the amount of times they let me down , problem if it's hard to get at with honda location ,
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Old 22-09-2018, 02:35 PM   #9
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I've used the Watsons kit before which worked very well for me. Quite smooth from what I can remember, a bit like a orange plate clutch on an a series. The AP 14mm is supposed to be light and easy but I've gone for the Watsons kit again this time round.
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Old 22-09-2018, 03:19 PM   #10
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Well what exactly is the watsons kit ? I canít see Geoff manufacturing his own, it will be something from another car, any photos of the ď kit ď Iím sure a bit of research would one up with the correct parts from other cars.


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Old 22-09-2018, 05:21 PM   #11
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Yeah, it's an AP part I think, with modified operating arm to fit straight into a Mini
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Old 22-09-2018, 05:56 PM   #12
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well ap make loads of parts for cars, it wouldnt be to difficult to find out where it comes from with some photos...would anyone like to post some up please then we can all have a nice clutch
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Old 22-09-2018, 11:29 PM   #13
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I have the AP 14mm but I have not got the mini on the road yet so cant tell you how it feels?
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Old 23-09-2018, 10:40 AM   #14
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The Watsons kit doesn't come with an AP master cylinder (which I thought it did). I can't quite remember the bore size of the cylinder either as its all packed away somewhere but it comes with the arm/rod modified to suit a mini. The kit is the master cylinder, a braided line straight to the slave and a reservoir pot for the fluid with all the fittings. So you pretty much have everything to have a working clutch providing you have Honda slave already.
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Old 23-09-2018, 10:49 AM   #15
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Digging through my old photobucket account the Watsons one is supplied with a Girling .625" master.
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