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Old 11-09-2018, 03:21 PM   #16
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Front subframe is standard MG F. Sport pack arches although MG F wheels with 195 wide tyres fitted!
I'm sure TerryG narrowed the subframes by about 1.75" and widened a set of F/G Sportspack arches when he built your car, didn't he ?
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Old 11-09-2018, 03:33 PM   #17
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You can see the cut & weld in the front frame where the two holes on the LH side are very close together compared to the other side

Re-reading the thread he said he was modifying a set of arches but in the earlier pics the wheels do protrude out of the arches a bit.
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Old 12-09-2018, 09:37 AM   #18
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Haz - looking at your front, it's F/G isn't it ? the wings look to pull inwards a bit, may be this could be pulling the arches inwards more than they should ? Also I think gazwad did some research (I think I recall it on his build thread) and found that there was some variance in the widths of the Sportpack arches and the various copies on the market so you may have ended up with some that are also slightly narrower ?
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Old 12-09-2018, 10:46 AM   #19
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It is indeed a F/G front (not sure from where, maybe curley). The wings pull in around 5mm to the body with clips but are then flush as they should be.

The arches I got are from arc angels, so weren't cheap... any ideas who does the wider ones? I'll have a search through his thread. Cheers
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I don't think he named names, just said he'd seen a variance in widths.

If you really get stuck then see here :-

http://www.theclubman.co.uk/project_k5.htm

This is Geehawks site, look down towards the bottom where he widens a set of FG sports pack arches
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Old 12-09-2018, 11:37 AM   #21
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You can see the cut & weld in the front frame where the two holes on the LH side are very close together compared to the other side

Re-reading the thread he said he was modifying a set of arches but in the earlier pics the wheels do protrude out of the arches a bit.
Wow Oz! You know more about my car that I do. I really thought the front was standard width.

Ignore my post then.

Oh well, I stand corrected.
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Old 12-09-2018, 11:42 AM   #22
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lol - I retain all kinds of useless info but ask me to pick up a pint of milk whilst I'm out and I'll have totally forgetten by the time I've closed the front door
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Old 12-09-2018, 12:19 PM   #23
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Well, as luck would have it... The body shop it is at is a lotus elan specialist and make their own FG chassis. I think I'll just ask him to widen them.

I CBA buying more arches that either aren't the style I want or still don't cover the wheels. Plus he already cut the front ones for the flip front.
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Old 12-09-2018, 12:53 PM   #24
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My dad kindly nipped in and took some pics for me...






As you can see, it appears to be worse at the front of the arch compared to the rear. I think the law states that it has to cover the tyre from a top down view though so maybe not that much of an issue?
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What front suspension do you have (ie standard Metro. Metro GTI or MGF) ? You seem to have some positive camber going on suggesting you have standard metro ball joints. I would suggest fitting MGF ball joints as they increase negative camber and caster angle. This will also have the effect of bringing the top of your wheel inwards slightly which will help with the arch covering them as well.

They will also increase steering feel and stability
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Old 12-09-2018, 01:15 PM   #26
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Also if the car has been jacked up that will give positive camber and make the top of the wheel stick out further. The suspension needs to settle (roll it backwards and forwards a couple of feet a few times) and that will settle the ride height and with that the camber will settle to where it will be when driving
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Old 12-09-2018, 01:26 PM   #27
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Pretty sure it’s all metro GTi, definitely not standard metro. I made sure I bought metro gti or MGF when collecting parts for the conversion for that very reason. It might help a little if that’s the case but I don’t think that’ll solve my problem completely. Also doubt it’s been jacked up at the Bodyshop, I can’t see them having any reason to do so. It’s in for arches and dent repair (rear quarter) and a black roof.
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Old 12-09-2018, 01:57 PM   #28
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Drop that sucker to the weeds !!!

In all seriousness the Metro frame seems some how to sit lower in the shell than a Mini frame (That's probably not the correct way to express what I mean). I found with my Watsons frame I only started getting some negative camber with the GTi balljoints when I lowered the front of the car quite a bit. If you look a quite a few of the Metro framed Minis they do have a slight nose down attitude, I think I measured over an inch difference in ride height between the two ends of the sills on mine



This pic shows it quite well (although the rear was subsequently lowered a bit after that photo was taken).
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Even when fitted to a Metro the cars had a nose down stance
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Old 12-09-2018, 04:43 PM   #30
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There's an 1" difference between the front & rear on my Watson framed mini 10" to the front sill & 11" just at the front of the rear wheel arch.
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