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Old 04-06-2017, 04:49 PM   #1
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Went to my first car show as exhibitor in years today. Got within 2 miles of the venue then suddenly no gears.

Luckily it was a good place to stop. Had a check as I thought maybe one of the link rods ball joints had popped off, but no. The top rod from the weighted gearbox crank to the swivel bit that bolts to the subframe (R65 box) had snapped right by the balljoint.

So home again courtesy of RAC



Quick search shows nothing on Ebay, and only Rimmer Bros selling the rods at 33 +p&p

Anyone know of another source or have a decent one in their parts bin they'd be willing to part with for a few beer tokens ??
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Old 04-06-2017, 10:13 PM   #2
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Pictures please and I'll have a look what I have. I bought some new plastic ball joints a couple of years back when I first got my project before I changed to PG1.
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Old 05-06-2017, 09:36 AM   #3
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Well that was easy to get off ..... NOT!











Well actually the rod bit was easy but the solitary ball socket was not. Quite rusty inside.
This is all Metro stuff, a bit of searching insinuates that other Rovers using the R65 had rods of different lengths ... not sure how true that is.
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Well actually the rod bit was easy but the solitary ball socket was not. Quite rusty inside.
This is all Metro stuff, a bit of searching insinuates that other Rovers using the R65 had rods of different lengths ... not sure how true that is.
I'm pretty sure I have what you need. Stuck in the office today but I will have a root in my garage either this evening or first thing tomorrow morning.
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Old 05-06-2017, 10:06 AM   #5
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Looks like it could be swapped for a bar with rose joints/ spherical both ends? Maybe some spacers to allow clearance for large sideways movement?
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Old 05-06-2017, 10:22 AM   #6
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Sorry cannot help with the part.

Why did you get recovery home? I drove 100 miles when I snapped mine (PG1 link weld snapped). I went under the car and selected 3rd. Just had to hold down the clutch at every junction. Was a slight struggle to get going but not too bad.
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Looks like it could be swapped for a bar with rose joints/ spherical both ends? Maybe some spacers to allow clearance for large sideways movement?
I have thought of that, but could only do it at one end where currently the 'ball' is bolted in. The end that broke the ball is pressed into the gearbox selector arm thing ... and unless that can be removed easily to drill it out for a bolt? I'll need to stick to a ball joint there.
As I say I could just rose joint one end and fit the rod the other way round.
I'd rather just stick to popping a new rod on if I can though.


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Sorry cannot help with the part.

Why did you get recovery home?
Because I've been paying the RAC for years and not used them.
Far less stressful to sit and drink tea whilst waiting for recovery, than to drive home in 3rd, waiting for the clutch to burn out or something else to break ...
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Old 05-06-2017, 02:31 PM   #8
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Sorry fella, that is nothing like mine

My R65 linkage was feed internally rather than down the exhaust tunnel and is all one piece from gearbox selector to the gearbox end.


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Old 05-06-2017, 03:02 PM   #9
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Cheers for looking anyway.

I'm looking into making one after doing some research and eyeing up aftermarket 106/Saxo ones.
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Old 06-06-2017, 07:18 AM   #10
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I knew I'd seen something somewhere about changing rods for rose jointed items.
I'll stick the link here, might help someone in future.

http://www.davebence.co.uk/mods_3.htm

Damn sight easier with the gearbox out of the car
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Old 06-06-2017, 02:02 PM   #11
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is that witness mark on the subframe because the rod snapped or the cause of the rod snapping? either way a rose joint on the upper side of that arm will help clerance. bit snug in there tho!
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Old 06-06-2017, 02:27 PM   #12
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I knew someone would mention that

That mark is actually in a smear of grease on the top of the frame as the joint just touches under certain circumstances when the engine rocks. Has done for 16 years. So if it's the cause then it's taken a while, maybe it's moving a bit more now and the engine mounts and steadies need renewing. I think the actual cause is the fact that the ball joint was full of rust and had pretty much siezed. I had a raspberry of a job getting it off, couldn't even turn it to start with. The outside of it is cruddy too, does not look like its been rubbing on the frame excessively.

To move the joint above the arm means cutting the counter weight thing off as it's in the way, not to mention drilling out the ball joint. As you say it is a bit tight down there so anything of that sort would mean major disassembly.

I guess a creatively shaped rod could possibly work around the weight, but likely would introduce an amount of 'vagueness' into the shifting ...

I have been wondering if the Mini One cable gearchange from their 'Midland' R65 setup could be made to fit with a bracket or two ... would help with clearance in the exhaust tunnel, not to mention being a fun exercise. Probably not worth the effort though.
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Old 06-06-2017, 04:33 PM   #13
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From what i recall the pug/citroens use dofferent sized balljoints and different style so its the rover parts bin or custom made lol the siezing will do it. If its lasted this long id just replace.
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Old 07-06-2017, 04:18 PM   #14
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Got a couple of complete ball joints (both halves, including a rubber dust seal) off Ebay and made up a new rod. Joints are 13mm for reference.



After doing this I was a bit concerned that the one hanging underneath the weighted arm would basically be bearing on the retaining spring, would that be an issue? Not sure if this type of joint is expected to work 'upside down'.

So I unscrewed the removable joint from the old broken arm, turned down the rod at one end (electric drill and grinder) cut a new thread and made this one instead. Now I can have the original type joint upside down at the end that broke.



Fingers crossed.
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Looks good!
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