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Old 07-02-2010, 02:52 AM   #1
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Default Minitec spiders don't fit in the CV joint!

So have finally gotten around to trying to fit the new spiders into some brand new Mini outer CV joints, only to find that they won't fit...

The Minitec spider (left) and standard mini spider in comparison:



No issues with the standard spider and race...


But the Minitec spider is just too big!!!!


Has anyone else come across this issue? And if so-what's the recommended way to fix it?
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Old 07-02-2010, 06:56 AM   #2
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It's funny you mention this as I just came across the same problem. I haven't contacted MiniTec yet to find out what the trick is.

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Old 07-02-2010, 09:23 AM   #3
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i haven't tried to fit mines yet but I could as I have CV joints and spiders waiting in the box. Could be that there are some differences between different manufacturers of the CV joints for the Mini? thonpy.mark, is your CV joint genuine, did you keep the box of the manufacturer?
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:13 PM   #4
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Hope i will not have this issue... Got so bad experience so far with them, their service is pineapple!

I purchaset the flip front kit to find out the flip hinge has to fit inside the upper shock mount... Guest what happened? Yep does not fit. They changed their designs for the upper mounts witch are Wider now. My frame is one year old and my brackets are the narrowed version. They could have ask when i purchased them... How wide are your brackets? easy question.

Had to call them 4 times for them to ship me an other set. He said at first not problem... After 2 weeks, no signs of e-mail for tracking number and no package received neither. Had to call them 3 more times as e-mail is just a jock..... Was talking with AJ and could hear polished apple Yelling in the back :" Just ship him the f**king Brackets..." AJ forgot to block the phone mic.

Sad to see how they treat us after spending 3200$ on frame, 600$ pedal kit and 200 Flip front kit.


So my spiders MUST fit or i'll take the 18 hours ride to Georgia....to have a little chat!
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Old 08-02-2010, 08:07 AM   #5
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@dbo: I haven't yet contacted Minitec about this either, thought I'd see if anyone else has come across the same problem.

@Mini_Filip: Any chance you can have a look at your CVs and spiders and post some photo comparisons as well? I seem to remember when I last pulled apart an old mini disc CV that two opposing holes of the six in the race were slightly more elongated than the other four, but I could be mistaken. Here's some photos of the box and CV itself:





I have no issues with the CV joint itself-it appears to be well made, and came from a supplier who specialises in CV joints.

@Freebies: Am crossing fingers for you too! I don't particularly want to machine the Minitec spiders to fit if I can help it. On a side note, any chance you can post a picture or two of your upper shock mounts to my build thread? I've tried fitting the shocks a few times, and the spring always seems to be hitting the mount
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Old 08-02-2010, 01:57 PM   #6
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possibly your coilovers are hitting brackets because they weren't designed for GAZ coilovers. Can you just skim part of the bracket where it is hitting? I will also have this problem.

I will try to fit Minitec spiders on several different CV joint and post pictures of the results here. maybe there are several different joint. i also have genuine CV joint so I can try to fit spiders on genuine ones first.

I also have a problem with Minitecs driveshafts, they won't fit my inner CV joints, because they are 32 spline and Inner spider is 30 spline from ITR. I contacted them and they said that there where some Hondas with 30 splines but they are making this for Hondas with 32 spline. I think that this info should be stated somewhere on their website. I payed 120 pounds for inner CV joints with driveshafts and outer CV joints just because I couldn't buy inners alone. And it turns out the inner joints wont fit! great...
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Old 09-02-2010, 07:47 PM   #7
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Hey Mark, find an old cv cage and a die grinder and simply grind the cage till you can insert the spider. This will give you an indication if theres anything seriously wrong with the mintec spider or if a small grind here and then will fix it. If all the "fits" of the spider-cage-cv are good and its simply a small fault will the insertion clearance of the spider in the cage (sounds like the zoo!) then no worries.

(Or bring everything over to dunners next time and I'll mic it all up and see just whats what)

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Old 09-02-2010, 08:17 PM   #8
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ive had the same problem but only with one of the spiders supplied i tryed 6 diffrent cv joints with new bearings in diffrent combinations i managed to fit it into the cage but i could not get the bearings in ive managed to grind all of the flutes down(which was a mare 2days of fettleing) and i can get all but one in i have contacted them and they are getting onto their suppliers and have sent me a replacement part which arrived today so i havent tryed them yet(hopefully they have been checked before shipping)
good job i test fitted before i had them cryogenically treated
ive aslo had to re tap the brake calipers as the union on went in 1/2 threads
all in all ive had ok service if a little laid back
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John, did you actually grind the section where the ball operates?

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Old 09-02-2010, 09:33 PM   #10
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It fits!

This is the old Metro CV joint. I suppose it is Genuine.
I didn't fit the spider with the balls cause I wont be using this CV joint.

I will post pics when I fit everything in my new CV joints.


here is the Minitec spider inside the crown and balls fitted



LEFT: Minitec spider inside Mini CV joint. MIDDLE: mini spider RIGHT: Minitec spider
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:45 PM   #11
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yep i had to take off quite a large amount to get it to fit (dont worry i wont be using thisi just wanted to know how much it were out as its hard to measure usinng a mic and vernia and i dont have a 3d plotter) i had no problems fitting it to the cage just no joy with the bearings it were as if it was warped a touch id like to know how these are cast as you can never guarentee a high tolerance due to contraction idealy they should be machined
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I put these in a little while back, had the same issue of them not popping in and figured it was like one of those bent nail puzzles where it can only go together one way.

To some degree, I was right, as one of the holes in the cage is slightly larger and a more pronounced rectangle. I maneuvered and edge of the spider into it and at that point I just gave it a good whack with a dead blow hammer and she popped right in.
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Old 10-02-2010, 09:59 PM   #13
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It fits!

here is the Minitec spider inside the crown and balls fitted

Is that a crack in the crown over the right ball ?
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nope, it is just a scrap of the screwdriver.
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nope, it is just a scrap of the screwdriver.
Phew... didn't want to be the messenger that got shot
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