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Old 07-09-2014, 06:11 PM   #31
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I wasn't saying A's cant make power, just that you can get the same power for a lot less cash with a 16v conversion.



It was really the handling comment I was thinking off!!!

There are NO engine converted minis that WILL out handle a A series mini.
We have been there done that again and again.
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:01 PM   #32
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Even if that were true, the time a big block vaux engined mini makes up on the straights will make up for the tenth of a second lost in the bends
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:07 PM   #33
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Really.

watch this video. at the end you will see the car the Ive been keeping behind me.the whole race.



all the 16v lads know the car

You will realise what I mean


as I ve said we have been there and done that
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:48 PM   #34
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It was really the handling comment I was thinking off!!!

There are NO engine converted minis that WILL out handle a A series mini.
We have been there done that again and again.
or perhaps no hybrid car has had the same level of development that the a series cars have had in the handling department. seing as amost no two hybrid cars are built alike its not too supprising.
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:58 PM   #35
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Lol, this dicussion is like arguing abour what is better oral s€x or the other s€x.

Guys get real: in case you have a heart what matters is that the job is well done. At home you need a Mini with a 1430 MED 8V engine and a huge Webber, a 16V modern conversion and a 16V headed A-series... it's the mistery of the holy trinity. You never thought this hobby was going to be cheap, right?
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Old 07-09-2014, 08:08 PM   #36
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True this is very true, the mini was designed and developed by very clever people, this is proven by its amazing roll in competition, since its launch in 59 it has been developed further to what we have today. And this is why its so very very good.


The black mini we see in the last video is said to be the fastest mini in the world as its won the race 3 times. now owned by pat ford.
developed by kad and roll center in the early 2000 s, from there it came to us were we redesigned it and took 3 seconds off its lap time and made it safe to drive.

you will probably be surprised to here that the front subframe and suspension it still quite mini ish just modified to accommodate the 300bhp xe lump

but still they dont handle as well as the mini with the A series engine. and this is what im trying to explain..
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and a heavy peachd xe isnt the only engine you can stick in a mini, so your argument should be no xe mini will outhandle an a-series. untill you try every engine combo going to the same level of finish any argument to the contrary is nonsence.

at the end of the day its a very personal choice I doubt anyone could argue one is better than the other and be able to actually quantify it with hard facts.
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I'd also like to add that about 35% of the popular engines, if not more, are lighter than the A series, including with gearbox. I'm sure that'll help it brake, accelerate and corner faster.
Pig iron or light weight aluminium.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:08 PM   #39
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As stated the xe in question is the fastest mini in the world!!!!
proven fact.
which obviously means no other mini has beat it. true. or not!!!
why get so irate about it.
its there in black and white dude.

If it was so easy everyone would have done it for competition.

me included, we have tried a few types.
and come up against a few hybrid minis to, they really are miles from the race pace

we have also had a hand in the vtec route to.

at one point we took watson works mini and took 10 seconds of its times round cadwell park. with hours of suspension setup work, we also took the 1.6 out of it and replaced it with the red top 1800 type r which kicked out 180 at the wheels in the end.,
we got that down to a 1.43 at cadwell park which is quick but for the cost and the spec of the car no so quick.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:16 PM   #40
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I'd also like to add that about 35% of the popular engines, if not more, are lighter than the A series, including with gearbox. I'm sure that'll help it brake, accelerate and corner faster.
Pig iron or light weight aluminium.


dude its there in black and white.

Im not here making this up the videos are there, so too are the lap times.

there are plenty of good companies out there who have tried to make these hybrid car work and they dont do it on track as well as a true mini.

In 12 years of full race competition there has been no hybrid with the exception of the z cars minis which were something else that have come close to the lap times of the mini miglias
which are still a mini.

calm down dudes
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Im happy you did good, do you relize you were laped by 3 cars,lol
And its not even a mini is it?
Never the less well done
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I'm feeling pretty calm here.
So out of interest, how much does it cost to build a Miglia car, in hours and parts, how much power do they have, and what do they weigh?
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Im happy you did good, do you relize you were laped by 3 cars,lol
And its not even a mini is it?
Never the less well done

If you are referring to the first video,!!!!!!!! this is qualifying and isnt the race so please explain in your terms what you mean by lapped!!!!!!!! also those three cars. here are some states food for thought as it were.
1, mike cutts 420 bhp m3 ex champion and a class B car
2, andrew morrison, ex factory works seat cupra turbo 380 hp class b build costs wer 350000, these cars dominate club motorsport through out the country.
3, paul moss, 3 time champion, in what could be the quickest 1600 car in the country class d, and ards race instructor.

4th on the grid is really something to shout about with over 20 cars behind me.
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1.42 in qualifying, cadwell park, quick
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:53 AM   #44
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I'm feeling pretty calm here.
So out of interest, how much does it cost to build a Miglia car, in hours and parts, how much power do they have, and what do they weigh?

Oh ive never built one a miglia, although my name suggests I do.
we've prepped a few but never a complete build.
The championship is really a southern thing. me being northern I stick to the local ish tracks.

costs,
well to be at the front it costs we all know that.
it takes hours, lots of knowledge and plenty of thats how Motorsport is, new tyres every race. Just do the sums its not cheap and to be competitive that how it works.
Ive never said it was.
there are some lads in the miglia s that are mid pack runners, still quick cars mind, but dont have the time etc.
As these minis run to very tight regs power is limited, 100 hp at the wheels is a very good engine, BUT this is the thing, only 100 hp and look at there lap times, with only small hp outputs its clear there not making the time up on the straights so it can only be in the corners, and this is what im trying to explain.

The minis handling takes some beating it really does.

Id love to find a conversion that I could drop in and go out and win, Make my life a lot easier.

The black mini in the vids had that much time work thrown at it, it was obscene. so to did the watsons works car.
any form of motorsport is expensive and development work of hybrid cars runs away with money really it does.

nice thing about normal minis is that the race parts you buy off the shelf work
buy
bolt on
off you go.
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nice thing about normal minis is that the race parts you buy off the shelf work
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no nickers in a twist here, your just echoing my point. Every hybrid engine setup has not been developed to the point of the a-series. Your car is clearly very quick on a track, with you behind the wheel. but who is to say if you, for example, built a G13b powered car, developed it, and peddled it around the same track you wouldnt go faster? more power, less weight, lower CofG etcetc. A series clearly works for you in your application, youd be daft to change it, but its a bit nieve to presume no hybrid will ever match the a-series on a track just because only a few hybrids have put in the development time.

Besides some of us are obsessed with other things (in my case because i cant drive for bananas) i like going in a straight line. I doubt any a-series would so what I ask my engines to do, certainly not for any length of time!
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