Swedish X16XE project - Page 3

ardonfast · 30-06-2018, 01:24 PM

Yes , I build my minis so nothing is preventing other things from moving , that's just something to consider , that's open to your interpretation ,
I think if a mini speshalist is letting such dangerous things go it's top priority to shout loud !!!

pipsovich · 30-06-2018, 06:07 PM

I have tried to do that as well, but building everything so that the subframe could be removed, that is beyond my capabilities

Hopefully they Will take this seriously, since it is dangerous.. What is worst case, steering completely lost? Maybe i could try to shim it in place, but it wont be properly done that way....

ardonfast · 30-06-2018, 10:37 PM

No it won't be lost, you can't brake that if you wanted to,
But I don't think that's the point,
The point is(I feel) a major suplyer should not/never send out some goods,. Not fit for purpose!
Let's say, that I could forgive a faulty horn push or a bent bumper! The 2 aren't the same,
I don't think you should bother trying to shim/mend it in any
Way, see what they say,

pipsovich · 09-07-2018, 07:39 AM

Still no real answer from minisport.
They told me that they are working on it, and trying to find shims so that i can shim it in place... which to me does not seem like a good solution, arent the play/resistance of steering supposed to be measured accurately in a bench to know that the rack is correctly shimmed? Maybe it could be done in place, but i dont even have the tools for the job.

NudgerSS · 09-07-2018, 07:48 AM

MiniSport don't have a great reputation for customer service to be honest.

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ardonfast · 09-07-2018, 02:06 PM

That's exactly what they would say , they just hope you will say yes!
"We will try to find shims to send to you" that's not exseptable,
By our trade law if you sell a itam that's not fit for purpose
We have to replace it or refund the customer,
That's loosely speaking, I don't ring and complain about
Things normally, but I would be upset by this,
They should take it up with the people who sold it to them,
,

250ptm · 10-07-2018, 02:50 AM

Pipsovich,
IF Minisport can’t help there is a procedure for adjusting the rack preload from Haynes manual, which should remove the play that you see in your vid.
No mention of special tools required.

For shim stock check out E-bay.

From your vid it looks as though the adjustment should be accessible from under the car.

From Haynes: 34. Fit a new O-ring seal to the damper yoke
and place the spring in position. Add shims
equal to the gap measured between the cover
plate and housing plus 0.05 to 0.13 mm. Refit
the cover plate and tighten down the bolts.
Turn the pinion through 180º in each direction
from the centre and make sure there is no
tightness or binding.

pipsovich · 29-07-2018, 09:02 PM

Car is registered and road legal in sweden! Have drived it a lot, here are some Nice pictures from a little Track evening.

28 degrees celcius and sunshine. Using modified China mpi alu radiator, SBD 75 degrees thermostat, and a China 9 row oil cooler. No issues even on the track!

pipsovich · 29-07-2018, 09:03 PM

And yes, minisport sent me a replacement rack, which i Will fit at some point.. As of now i have shimmed it in place, it works for now.

ardonfast · 29-07-2018, 09:28 PM

Good they sent you new steering rack, good that you are
Useing the mini ,good, good,

250ptm · 30-07-2018, 12:31 AM

Im interested to know, did the shimming eliminate the play in the rack ?

pipsovich · 31-07-2018, 08:39 AM

Hello! Yes, it did, but i dont feel good about it anyways.

30-06-2018, 01:24 PM	#31
ardonfast Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: dunkeswell airfeald devon Posts: 7,777 Subframe: AMT CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: dizzy/webers	Yes , I build my minis so nothing is preventing other things from moving , that's just something to consider , that's open to your interpretation , I think if a mini speshalist is letting such dangerous things go it's top priority to shout loud !!! __________________ "yuck ,more like a 3 r2" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

30-06-2018, 10:37 PM	#33
ardonfast Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: dunkeswell airfeald devon Posts: 7,777 Subframe: AMT CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: dizzy/webers	No it won't be lost, you can't brake that if you wanted to, But I don't think that's the point, The point is(I feel) a major suplyer should not/never send out some goods,. Not fit for purpose! Let's say, that I could forgive a faulty horn push or a bent bumper! The 2 aren't the same, I don't think you should bother trying to shim/mend it in any Way, see what they say, __________________ "yuck ,more like a 3 r2" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

09-07-2018, 02:06 PM	#36
ardonfast Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: dunkeswell airfeald devon Posts: 7,777 Subframe: AMT CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: dizzy/webers	That's exactly what they would say , they just hope you will say yes! "We will try to find shims to send to you" that's not exseptable, By our trade law if you sell a itam that's not fit for purpose We have to replace it or refund the customer, That's loosely speaking, I don't ring and complain about Things normally, but I would be upset by this, They should take it up with the people who sold it to them, , __________________ "yuck ,more like a 3 r2" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

10-07-2018, 02:50 AM	#37
250ptm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tasmania Posts: 204 Subframe: Other CC: 1600 Make: Honda ECU: odb1	Pipsovich, IF Minisport can’t help there is a procedure for adjusting the rack preload from Haynes manual, which should remove the play that you see in your vid. No mention of special tools required. For shim stock check out E-bay. From your vid it looks as though the adjustment should be accessible from under the car. From Haynes: 34. Fit a new O-ring seal to the damper yoke and place the spring in position. Add shims equal to the gap measured between the cover plate and housing plus 0.05 to 0.13 mm. Refit the cover plate and tighten down the bolts. Turn the pinion through 180º in each direction from the centre and make sure there is no tightness or binding. __________________ It only took me 3 years to reach 100 posts and become a senior member! Last edited by 250ptm; 10-07-2018 at 02:51 AM. Reason: clarity

29-07-2018, 09:28 PM	#40
ardonfast Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: dunkeswell airfeald devon Posts: 7,777 Subframe: AMT CC: 2000 Make: Vauxhall ECU: dizzy/webers	Good they sent you new steering rack, good that you are Useing the mini ,good, good, __________________ "yuck ,more like a 3 r2" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=tb261HwQNDQ SAY WHAT YOU BELEVE,,BELEVE WHAT YOU LIKE, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=3JhaTwP7uuk

30-06-2018, 06:07 PM	#32
pipsovich Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 61	I have tried to do that as well, but building everything so that the subframe could be removed, that is beyond my capabilities Hopefully they Will take this seriously, since it is dangerous.. What is worst case, steering completely lost? Maybe i could try to shim it in place, but it wont be properly done that way....

09-07-2018, 07:39 AM	#34
pipsovich Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 61	Still no real answer from minisport. They told me that they are working on it, and trying to find shims so that i can shim it in place... which to me does not seem like a good solution, arent the play/resistance of steering supposed to be measured accurately in a bench to know that the rack is correctly shimmed? Maybe it could be done in place, but i dont even have the tools for the job.

29-07-2018, 09:02 PM	#38
pipsovich Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 61	Car is registered and road legal in sweden! Have drived it a lot, here are some Nice pictures from a little Track evening. 28 degrees celcius and sunshine. Using modified China mpi alu radiator, SBD 75 degrees thermostat, and a China 9 row oil cooler. No issues even on the track!

29-07-2018, 09:03 PM	#39
pipsovich Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 61	And yes, minisport sent me a replacement rack, which i Will fit at some point.. As of now i have shimmed it in place, it works for now.

30-07-2018, 12:31 AM	#41
250ptm Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tasmania Posts: 204 Subframe: Other CC: 1600 Make: Honda ECU: odb1	Im interested to know, did the shimming eliminate the play in the rack ? __________________ It only took me 3 years to reach 100 posts and become a senior member!

31-07-2018, 08:39 AM	#42
pipsovich Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 61	Hello! Yes, it did, but i dont feel good about it anyways.

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